Anwar Ibrahim final appeal

CyberJaya · #1 11-05-2004 **Anwar Ibrahim final appeal**

It seems like Anwar has his final chance to overturn the sodomy
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asi...ic/3699313.stm
What do you guys think. Is he guilty. I think that he is a man of talent and remember even Dr M was expelled from UMNO. Malaysia could probably do with a man like Anwar if found not guilty. Personally i find it hard to believe that a such a man could be guilty of such a crime but it is the courts that will decide the matter.

SpRInG · #2 11-05-2004

he's an extremist, i don't suport him. If Malaysia falls into his hands, then it would be finished. Malaysia would among the al-Qaeda group's countries. nooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!

CyberJaya · #3 11-05-2004

well i'm not really on his side or anything but he was finance minister and the heir apparent. Thats all i'm going on. That is some credintials but that is all i'm going on. Maybe you're right.

ElansarGelmir · #4 11-05-2004

#Digress
Do you guys remember once somewhere in 1991-1995 or somewhere between this period of time, our school holidays were changed from December to November? I think that disrupted my Christmas break... Thanks to Anwar...
#Digress

Though I doubt that Anwar is such a pervert (claimed by the govt), I still doubt his capability of being the leader of Malaysia. I mean, Malaysia have strong reasons and judgements why they don't want Anwar Ibrahim at the leadership position, right? Imagine, he even spurs havoc and turbulence in Malaysia just to proof to others that he's not guilty. A man with good virtues won't do that. He's just another politician, i would say.

CyberJaya · #5 11-05-2004

Unfortunately i dont remember that time as i wasnt in Malaysia but i suppose you're right about him being just another politician. I think it is hard on him to suffer the ignominity of being in prison as well as having had his career turned upside down as well. One is bad enough but then where would he go if his appeal was successful. I'm sure he'd be back in politics like a flash.

ElansarGelmir · #6 11-05-2004

I dunno about that. Heard rumors that the govt (I think mostly UMNO) plans to have him locked up until he's old enough to retire from politic kua... Anyway, this will be another interesting case. Got to follow up. :D

USSDefiantNX74205 · #7 11-05-2004

Well politician or not, it's wrong to jail him in such an unfair manner. The judiciary has been under Mahathir and the govt's control (my PA teacher told me this) since the late 80s if I'm not mistaken, so it would be pretty easy to throw trumped up (or sexed up in this case) charges at him and then cook up some evidence to jail him. The law after all, is on the govt's side. If Mahathir didn't like him, the just fire him and boot him outta the party. But I guess he was afraid of the repricussions it might bring to UMNO and BN, so he decided to silence him for good. And it ain't a surprise too that all Anwar's appeals were turned down. Like I said, the judiciary is under govt control. I'm not speaking as an Anwar supporter here, just as a guy who wants to see a fair trial and a return to a fair judiciary system.

ElansarGelmir · #8 11-05-2004

I think that works for most governments. I heard in Cuba, if u're a revolutionist, you may find your self stashed into a jail for committing rape and murder, or things which you are sure that you've not done before... And then they can even get your pals to witness your misdoings as well... :wink:

weich · #9 11-05-2004

hmm....I used to hear about this conspiracy theory (probably one of those 'coffeeshop conspiracy' ) about Al Gore's (or the US govt's) plan to change the govt's of SEA countries who do not back the Democrats:

Remember that during the time of Anwar's trial, a few govt heads in SEA were replaced e.g. in Indonesia, Philippines and Thailand...and remember Al Gore coming to Malaysia and said something quite nasty about Malaysia....coincidence???

And also there were rumours that Anwar was favourable to US policies, etc....and Dr. M as you know wasn't the kind who would bow down to anyone...and would personally not like his successor to be US's tool...plus the reputation M'sia has as a model for Muslim countries....

And all that were the real reasons why he was charge in such a bizzare manner....where only 2 parties will know the real reasons behind it....

Disclaimer: Of course I can't verify this (said it was a coffeeshop conspiracy and also used the word rumour somewhere)....but thought it was just a nice theory that kinda make sense =) Not trying to be provocative or anything like that...and I am politically neutral in a sense...haha

what do u guys think?

USSDefiantNX74205 · #10 11-05-2004

I dunno about the conspiracies to change SEA govts, but from what I can see, Anwar would prolly be more anti-US than Mahathir, given his somewhat racist attitude (can anyone confirm he's a Malay supremacist?) and involvement with movements like al-Arqam (or so I heard). I for one was glad to see him go, though not in the right way.

SpRInG Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 294	#2 11-05-2004 he's an extremist, i don't suport him. If Malaysia falls into his hands, then it would be finished. Malaysia would among the al-Qaeda group's countries. nooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!

CyberJaya Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 286	#3 11-05-2004 well i'm not really on his side or anything but he was finance minister and the heir apparent. Thats all i'm going on. That is some credintials but that is all i'm going on. Maybe you're right.

CyberJaya Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 286	#5 11-05-2004 Unfortunately i dont remember that time as i wasnt in Malaysia but i suppose you're right about him being just another politician. I think it is hard on him to suffer the ignominity of being in prison as well as having had his career turned upside down as well. One is bad enough but then where would he go if his appeal was successful. I'm sure he'd be back in politics like a flash.

ElansarGelmir Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 2,072	#6 11-05-2004 I dunno about that. Heard rumors that the govt (I think mostly UMNO) plans to have him locked up until he's old enough to retire from politic kua... Anyway, this will be another interesting case. Got to follow up. :D

ElansarGelmir Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 2,072	#8 11-05-2004 I think that works for most governments. I heard in Cuba, if u're a revolutionist, you may find your self stashed into a jail for committing rape and murder, or things which you are sure that you've not done before... And then they can even get your pals to witness your misdoings as well... :wink: