Scholarships: To what extent should income be considered?

[duke23]

hah?come on la honda city is not that great la..Mid ranking civil servant can easily afford it .pls be reasonable.

[fishnet]

Originally Posted by Xon

i am here not to shoot. but to share my thoughts.

Well,sense of insecure makes alot people worry about the competition. What is "sense of insecure"? Okay,alot students cant afford to go overseas. and this JPA,is thier only hope. they treat this as "once a lifetime" chance. get me?
i understand alot of recommers here are from overall family income between rm 2000-rm 4000. so they are directly under merit-based competition. And for your info,this amount of money doesnt really allow these student to go abroad neither to opt for private college. dont forget,they have siblings too. they need to eat.

okay,i do believe there is cases whereby students get the scholarship because they are sons of "Civil servants" ,as you said. Well,i have no comment on this. Hmmm...

you dont offend me personally.but i think you will offent those who come from moderate family. Xp

And you're from taylor scholarship....for your info,its a tuition waiver type right? moderate student cant afford the accomodation and living expenses there...more to say about poor students not from KL nor Selangor. how are they going to private college?

attention: i am by any means not to promote for taylor here. LOLx

thanks for your insight. =) i totally agree with you. a lot of ppl cannot afford to study overseas, which is why there are so so so many people applying for jpa and all the other many scholarships out there. and its true that those under that income group struggle for quality education.

but abt the 'once in a lifetime part', i don't quite agree on that. jpa is not the only scholarship which can send students overseas, and it's also not the only way for a student to achieve success. if a student (x care rich or poor) is really really capable, even if they are really really poor, somehow or rather, they would still be able to succeed. Don't tell me that all the students who are currently studying the top UK unis are smarter than all the students currently studying in local unis. Just because a lot of smart ppl go to oxford, it doesn't mean that one who's lazy and not so intelligent can become smart just because he/she's there.

same case here.

if you can't afford to go overseas and you can't obtain a scholarship, then study here. if you can't afford to go to a private college, go for Form 6. Honestly speaking, at the end of the day, there's simply not much difference. You still need to work hard, study hard, score well. Whether it's STPM, A-levels, SAM.. whether it's a hotshot phd lecturer or an ordinary local uni graduate who's teaching you, at the end of the day it just boils down to you.

So instead of just talking and complaining that u can't afford to go to college because you're poor or you can't go overseas to study because some rich kid beat you to the scholarship, why don't you just concentrate on achieving your goals. O.o That is actually what i meant all along. it's very unhealthy to point fingers at ppl and tell them what to do when you have absolutely no power or right to do so. it's just making ppl feel bad and is pretty whiny.

jigah!!!! since jpa interview is over and we're all just gonna wait for the results, let's just drop this subject. i think i should have just kept my opinions to myself since this whole matter doesn't really involve me in the first place.

AHHH!!! if i sound like i'm shooting you, xon, i'm really sorry!!! it's not meant to sound that way but i'm quite lazy to edit what i wrote. and the 'yous' aren't really referring to you O.o i don't even know who they are referring to.

i'm going to get shot.

[fishnet]

Originally Posted by jingying

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i just wanna reply this.ok,i am not a debator and i just said that it is my opinion.i didn't meant in discriminating the rich ones.ya,some are rich because of their hard work and i admit that.i mean for some.they are not wrong for being rich or for being born rich.and if they won't bother to apply the 'troblesome' JPA scholarship,please don't.please leave this once-a-life-time opportunity to those who needs it.ya,if a standard medical course can burn the rich man's pocket then i would say a standard medical course can burn down a poor man's house or can we say anything including a bank account.and the rich ones are NOT being made ashamed.they wil be ashamed of what?

i am not scared of competition,instead ,i like it! because of competition,i achieves good result.competition in academics is healthy but not competition in securing a scholarship.it needs no competition.if you deserves you deserves,why is there a competition?because the rich ones come in to compete with the needies therefore competition occurs.ya, the rich one seize the scolarship of the poor ones that's why we sulk.if seemingly rich ppl get the scholarship i must admit some are because of ther so-so excellent result but the number of it definitely wont be too much.and i believe some may cheat their income(this is a true fact and this happens to many many of my classmates.Do believe it)

regarding the children of the civil servant get the scholarship, and it is like what you said,those are "stories".and being a child to governmant servants,i denied this and i can tel you that this is untrue.jpa doesn'd give priority to government servants' children.(as far as i know)if it is what you said,i wouldn't bother to open my computer and seek for information of how the interview will be done.and ya, this is something unfair,u see,felda will give priority to felda workers.telekom goes the same.and there is many examples companies give priority to thier workers but did government give priority to civil servants?do think about it.

**sorry if i offend anyone going through this.and as what i said earlier, this is my point of view/my piece of mind.no offence.and sorry again, i know this sholdn't be posted here but i saw someone post the above"..." and so i reply here.sorry to all.

well, for one thing, i don't think they would like hearing so many ppl sayi things like, "eh, you so rich, don't apply la,' and things like that in front of their faces or behind their backs. and i bet things may even be worse once they get jpa. who knows? they may even feel guilty abt it. but the thing is, they shouldn be made to feel guilty abt it at all since the ppl who actually select these applicants selected them EVEN THOUGH they were rich and there were POORER PPL who needed the scholarships.

and what did you mean by 'the number of it definitely wont be too much'? o.O so jpa actually gives scholarships to rich AND non-outstanding students over poor AND outstanding students? That's a first.

You deserve what you deserve on the basis of competition. That's the way of life. A is more hardworking than B, A deserves a pay raise more than B. A is more outstanding and needy than B, A deserves the scholarship more than B. This is why questions like, "What makes you stand out from the other applicants?" are constantly applied in interviews. This is not just some happy interview whereby you go there, make friends, answer some questions and go home thinking that you'll surely get the scholarship because you really really deserve it so you don't actually need to compete with the other applicants to get it. If you think you deserve it than you just have to show that you deserve it. JPA is sort of like a competition to see who deserves the scholarship more than who actually.

For those who cheat their income, as long as you're not the one cheating and as long as they don't get the scholarship, it should be fine. And even if they do get the scholarship, well, they got it through cheating, so what do you want to do? File a complain? Report to JPA? That can be done if you want to so go ahead. But I really doubt that they would give you the scholarship (if you havent got it in the first place) just because a few other recipients had cheated and had their scholarships terminated.

And wouldn't it be a double blow if they hand over those redundant scholarships to the supposedly 'rich' ppl we were complaining about.

So what are you going to do next? Complain that life is unfair because those 'rich' ppl now got it instead of you?

Of course it's frustrating when these sort of things happen but it's not something which we have a say over. Let's just find our own alternative roads to success instead of playing the blame game and pinpointing innocent ppl (in the case of those who cheated in the income part, well, sorry to say that you're not that innocent O.o). It's not wrong for being rich but it does seem quite wrong to cheat, to me anyway.

Well, about the civil servants part, it's just a desas-desus i heard whilst waiting for interview. It may be true or it may not be true but i do have a friend whose neighbour's many kids got jpa and their parents are civil servants (and apparently, their spm results aren't exactly as colorful as a lot of ppl's in this forum who did not get the scholarship). So of course i have my suspicions. At least i didn't go saying that all children of government servants should not apply for the scholarship much akin to all rich ppl shouldn't apply for the scholarship. O.o I simply don't have the right nor power to say that.

Ok. I offended enough ppl already. I deleted my earlier post because i felt that it was inappropriate to post it in the interview's thread and also because i didn't want to start a debate though i was xx minutes too late, i see O.o haha i'm sorry for posting this totally irrelevant post into this thread but i assure you that this should be my last post abt the matter as i'm really quite done talking. it's not as though talking any more can help anything.

take care and all the best for your interviews!!!! don't give up no matter what happens.

PS: to jingying: sorry if i added oil to the fire. it's just a pretty interesting topic and i couldn't help it. nvr am i going to post these sort of stuff again =.= so troublesome. good luck with your jpa! sorry if the civil servants part sounded discriminatory and offending to you. it wasn't meant to be that way. and i never generalised by saying all civil servants are this and that. i only brought up the rumour and asked for clarification which you did. so thanks.

[pinkcat]

Originally Posted by fishnet

well, for one thing, i don't think they would like hearing so many ppl sayi things like, "eh, you so rich, don't apply la,' and things like that in front of their faces or behind their backs. and i bet things may even be worse once they get jpa. who knows? they may even feel guilty abt it. but the thing is, they shouldn be made to feel guilty abt it at all since the ppl who actually select these applicants selected them EVEN THOUGH they were rich and there were POORER PPL who needed the scholarships.

and what did you mean by 'the number of it definitely wont be too much'? o.O so jpa actually gives scholarships to rich AND non-outstanding students over poor AND outstanding students? That's a first.

You deserve what you deserve on the basis of competition. That's the way of life. A is more hardworking than B, A deserves a pay raise more than B. A is more outstanding and needy than B, A deserves the scholarship more than B. This is why questions like, "What makes you stand out from the other applicants?" are constantly applied in interviews. This is not just some happy interview whereby you go there, make friends, answer some questions and go home thinking that you'll surely get the scholarship because you really really deserve it so you don't actually need to compete with the other applicants to get it. If you think you deserve it than you just have to show that you deserve it. JPA is sort of like a competition to see who deserves the scholarship more than who actually.

For those who cheat their income, as long as you're not the one cheating and as long as they don't get the scholarship, it should be fine. And even if they do get the scholarship, well, they got it through cheating, so what do you want to do? File a complain? Report to JPA? That can be done if you want to so go ahead. But I really doubt that they would give you the scholarship (if you havent got it in the first place) just because a few other recipients had cheated and had their scholarships terminated.

And wouldn't it be a double blow if they hand over those redundant scholarships to the supposedly 'rich' ppl we were complaining about.

So what are you going to do next? Complain that life is unfair because those 'rich' ppl now got it instead of you?

Of course it's frustrating when these sort of things happen but it's not something which we have a say over. Let's just find our own alternative roads to success instead of playing the blame game and pinpointing innocent ppl (in the case of those who cheated in the income part, well, sorry to say that you're not that innocent O.o). It's not wrong for being rich but it does seem quite wrong to cheat, to me anyway.

Well, about the civil servants part, it's just a desas-desus i heard whilst waiting for interview. It may be true or it may not be true but i do have a friend whose neighbour's many kids got jpa and their parents are civil servants (and apparently, their spm results aren't exactly as colorful as a lot of ppl's in this forum who did not get the scholarship). So of course i have my suspicions. At least i didn't go saying that all children of government servants should not apply for the scholarship much akin to all rich ppl shouldn't apply for the scholarship. O.o I simply don't have the right nor power to say that.

Ok. I offended enough ppl already. I deleted my earlier post because i felt that it was inappropriate to post it in the interview's thread and also because i didn't want to start a debate though i was xx minutes too late, i see O.o haha i'm sorry for posting this totally irrelevant post into this thread but i assure you that this should be my last post abt the matter as i'm really quite done talking. it's not as though talking any more can help anything.

take care and all the best for your interviews!!!! don't give up no matter what happens.

PS: to jingying: sorry if i added oil to the fire. it's just a pretty interesting topic and i couldn't help it. nvr am i going to post these sort of stuff again =.= so troublesome. good luck with your jpa! sorry if the civil servants part sounded discriminatory and offending to you. it wasn't meant to be that way. and i never generalised by saying all civil servants are this and that. i only brought up the rumour and asked for clarification which you did. so thanks.

I agree with you. Some rich people, or rather the people who have rich parents actually worked very hard to get good results. It would be very unfair to deny them scholarships just because they have a rich parents. No matter what, if they do not obtain the scholarships they will have to spend their parents money which is not their own money, on their tertiary education which actually sums up to quite an amount of money regardless of whether you are rich or not. Getting a scholarship is not only about the money. It is also about the satisfaction just like earning ur first pay after working your as* off for months. Some of these people from rich families actually worked really hard and obtained good results after slaving over books since young.

I feel that it is really unfair to say that people from rich families should not apply for scholarships just because there are many other more needy people out there. For JPA scholarship, the scholarship is to study overseas and i believe everyone regardless of their family's financial status should have an equal chance to obtain the scholarship and the selection should be based solely on academic and co-curricular merits. There are few people who can actually afford to send their children overseas for a few years to get a degree even if they own a honda city, are rich enough to go for rebonding, or even afford chanel or coach bags. Perhaps some people might feel that in order to look formal or give a good impression to the judges, he/she has to dress up in all his/her best outfits available and also accessories and bags. We cannot judge people by the first time we see them especially just by the way they dress. They might not be that rich. And even if they own chanel/coach bags, they might have bought it using their hard earned money doing part time jobs during the holidays. Who knows?

If these needy people are really so needy, there are always other options for them to consider, i believe scholarships for local universities are easier to obtain. And if your results are really that outstanding, u might get selected for matriculation as well. There are also affordable tertiary education institutions such as TAR college, UTAR, or form 6 available.

Therefore in the context of JPA scholarship, i think that we should not complain about rich people applying for it too as everyone, who qualify for JPA, worked equally hard for it and are EQUALLY deserving. If JPA scholarship is only for the needy, there should be a condition stating that only children whose parents have income below XXXX are entitled to apply for this scholarship. As for the people who cheat about their parents income, i believe that with this kind of attitude, they won't be able to succeed even if they get this scholarship.

Hope that i did not offend anybody with this post.

P.S : I am not from a rich family.

[vseehua]

Merged digressed posts from Jpa 2008 thread here

I would like to point out something here:

If you are that good, why would you want to compare yourself to the others? In this world, people don't care whether you are rich or poor before giving you the opportunities to do anything. Why whine about the chances that the others will get the scholarship instead of you, rich or poor?

You should be concentrating on your own self image first of all things. How you carry yourself is going to be the most important lesson that you'll be learning from life, not how the others look like compared to you.

When you are clouded by the idea that you deserve this and that because you are more needy, you are more removed from the realities of the world than any one in the world today. Most people won't care if you need something or not, it's whether you can bring back measurable results back to them for their investments or not.

If you did your best to bring out the best of you to the interviewers, then I applaud you for doing just that. If you, instead, chose to whine about how you deserve to get it on the basis of need, i suggest you go out and have a long hard look at the world, the real world doesn't work like that, whether you like it or not...

[lindley]

i really dont mind rich students applying for JPA.
but what pisses me off, are rich students (or anyone for the matter) who are not interested in getting the scholarship from the start, and yet still apply for it. sheesh

[BurgaFlippinMan]

Originally Posted by lindley

i really dont mind rich students applying for JPA.
but what pisses me off, are rich students (or anyone for the matter) who are not interested in getting the scholarship from the start, and yet still apply for it. sheesh

Its called a backup plan?

[lindley]

no no, what i mean is, these people, when i ask them
"if you get JPA, will you take it?"
they said NO. =.='

already in their minds they dont want it, so why bother applying for it in the first place?

[capablanca]

Originally Posted by lindley

no no, what i mean is, these people, when i ask them
"if you get JPA, will you take it?"
they said NO. =.='

already in their minds they dont want it, so why bother applying for it in the first place?

Now, that is plain irrational. I don't think a normal human being who is able to think for themselves will deny opportunities just like that unless they have better offers in life.

[lindley]

no but seriously, theyre not even bothered about it. in their minds they dont want to take it up, whether they get it or not. even when sending in their apps forms, they already say that they dont want it.