General Elections 2004

[littlebigone]

Originally Posted by chenchow

I think if you want to vote overseas, you need to fill up a different form. A form for pengundi tidak hadir. I brought the form given by Embassy to SPR and it is a different form than the form back home.

So, I think if you fill up the normal form at registration, undi pos may not be possible.

I thought we couldn't vote as students overseas?

[littlebigone]

Originally Posted by chenchow

I think if you want to vote overseas, you need to fill up a different form. A form for pengundi tidak hadir. I brought the form given by Embassy to SPR and it is a different form than the form back home.

So, I think if you fill up the normal form at registration, undi pos may not be possible.

I thought we couldn't vote as students overseas?

[Diesel]

Originally Posted by AhMean

I am very concerned over the propaganda that voting for PAS = ticket to heaven. Not that I am pro-BN or anti-PAS, I really question the validity of this statement. First of all, who can verify the accuracy of this statement; Secondly, who is in the position to verify this statement; Thirdly, underlying this statement, is it not an implicit assumption that PAS = Nabi Mohammad, the messager of Allah who will direct you to heaven, don't you consider this as a sacrilege?

i doubt that that's PAS's propaganda. i've never heard any of them saying that. all i know is that that's what we've been told by the biased media, and our 'leaders'.

[Diesel]

Originally Posted by AhMean

I am very concerned over the propaganda that voting for PAS = ticket to heaven. Not that I am pro-BN or anti-PAS, I really question the validity of this statement. First of all, who can verify the accuracy of this statement; Secondly, who is in the position to verify this statement; Thirdly, underlying this statement, is it not an implicit assumption that PAS = Nabi Mohammad, the messager of Allah who will direct you to heaven, don't you consider this as a sacrilege?

i doubt that that's PAS's propaganda. i've never heard any of them saying that. all i know is that that's what we've been told by the biased media, and our 'leaders'.

[el_empty]

Originally Posted by AhMean

On another note, I think Badawi is in a precarious position. If Badawi is really credible and trustworthy, we should give him a strong mandate to continue with his anti-corruption and police reformation effort so that he can ward off the power struggle within UMNO and the corrupted BN.

i doubt Abdullah is as credible and trustworthy as all of us would like him to be. so far he's still all bark no bite, and not only that is trying to use american presidential style catch phrases like "work with me, not work for me" as ammo. and i believe he hasn't made much achievements other than being an entity that replaces an authoritarian figure. also he made plenty of pledges to fight corruption, and proving it by shocking the media with some small time arrests, but avoiding any queries directed at larger players like rafidah aziz, taib, the court, etc.

and then the police brutality at the police anti-brutality rally. detractors claim that SUARAM is looking for trouble by disrupting the public. there was no disruption. there were people making a statement and exercising their right to democracy and free speech.

here're some images of that day i found (not published in major newspapers .. . ahem i mean party propaganda material).

http://aksi.fotopic.net/c125719.html

sigh...

[el_empty]

Originally Posted by AhMean

On another note, I think Badawi is in a precarious position. If Badawi is really credible and trustworthy, we should give him a strong mandate to continue with his anti-corruption and police reformation effort so that he can ward off the power struggle within UMNO and the corrupted BN.

i doubt Abdullah is as credible and trustworthy as all of us would like him to be. so far he's still all bark no bite, and not only that is trying to use american presidential style catch phrases like "work with me, not work for me" as ammo. and i believe he hasn't made much achievements other than being an entity that replaces an authoritarian figure. also he made plenty of pledges to fight corruption, and proving it by shocking the media with some small time arrests, but avoiding any queries directed at larger players like rafidah aziz, taib, the court, etc.

and then the police brutality at the police anti-brutality rally. detractors claim that SUARAM is looking for trouble by disrupting the public. there was no disruption. there were people making a statement and exercising their right to democracy and free speech.

here're some images of that day i found (not published in major newspapers .. . ahem i mean party propaganda material).

http://aksi.fotopic.net/c125719.html

sigh...

[Diesel]

Originally Posted by el_empty

and then the police brutality at the police anti-brutality rally. detractors claim that SUARAM is looking for trouble by disrupting the public. there was no disruption. there were people making a statement and exercising their right to democracy and free speech.

that's why i said malaysia practises dictatorship in the name of democracy.
Such scenario always happen to other third world countries, and too bad, it happens in Malaysia too.
whenever we rally, they spray. no matter how peaceful it is. unless you are rallying a support for the govt.
too bad a lot of people can't see what's happening in the country. a lot of people still think that we have the freedom of speech.

p/s: do we have something like this in our constitution?

"Examples of civil rights are freedom of speech, press, assembly, the right to vote, freedom from involuntary servitude, and the right to equality in public places. " US constitution.

[Diesel]

Originally Posted by el_empty

and then the police brutality at the police anti-brutality rally. detractors claim that SUARAM is looking for trouble by disrupting the public. there was no disruption. there were people making a statement and exercising their right to democracy and free speech.

that's why i said malaysia practises dictatorship in the name of democracy.
Such scenario always happen to other third world countries, and too bad, it happens in Malaysia too.
whenever we rally, they spray. no matter how peaceful it is. unless you are rallying a support for the govt.
too bad a lot of people can't see what's happening in the country. a lot of people still think that we have the freedom of speech.

p/s: do we have something like this in our constitution?

"Examples of civil rights are freedom of speech, press, assembly, the right to vote, freedom from involuntary servitude, and the right to equality in public places. " US constitution.

[qedx]

Originally Posted by Thirdshifter

As for the obvious bias of these news, We Recomers must Spread awareness to the unaware. For a start no more taking articles from these sites.

lol no more malaysian media in recom then

This seems to be a good source for Malaysian Constitution. http://confinder.richmond.edu/local_malaysia.html . Do a quick skim of Article 10. Clause 1 seems all fine and good, but look at how the other clauses can be interpreted. We don't have as much rights as we seem to heh.

Whatever some people would like, Malaysia is NOT a secular country. Article 3 (1) of the Constitution states that "Islam is the religion of the Federation; but other religions may be practised in peace and harmony in any part of the Federation." A secular nation would not have a such a clause. Of course it also says that Islamic law is only applicable to Muslims and the list of situations where Muslim law is applicable seem to not include crime.

[qedx]

Originally Posted by Thirdshifter

As for the obvious bias of these news, We Recomers must Spread awareness to the unaware. For a start no more taking articles from these sites.

lol no more malaysian media in recom then

This seems to be a good source for Malaysian Constitution. http://confinder.richmond.edu/local_malaysia.html . Do a quick skim of Article 10. Clause 1 seems all fine and good, but look at how the other clauses can be interpreted. We don't have as much rights as we seem to heh.

Whatever some people would like, Malaysia is NOT a secular country. Article 3 (1) of the Constitution states that "Islam is the religion of the Federation; but other religions may be practised in peace and harmony in any part of the Federation." A secular nation would not have a such a clause. Of course it also says that Islamic law is only applicable to Muslims and the list of situations where Muslim law is applicable seem to not include crime.