Malaysia and Pakistan Nuclear Probe

[topdog]

da-hype, i don't know much about u.s.-mid east affairs but this much i know:

bush may be an a-hole, but equating bush to bin laden is absurd! simple question: how many arabs do you see emigrating to the states? now, contrast this to how many americans you see emigrating to arab countries?

blaming america for all the crap going on in the middle east, while simultaneously understating arab leaders' not-so-glowing track record, does not help your argument.

[topdog]

da-hype, i don't know much about u.s.-mid east affairs but this much i know:

bush may be an a-hole, but equating bush to bin laden is absurd! simple question: how many arabs do you see emigrating to the states? now, contrast this to how many americans you see emigrating to arab countries?

blaming america for all the crap going on in the middle east, while simultaneously understating arab leaders' not-so-glowing track record, does not help your argument.

[da-hype]

Originally Posted by topdog

da-hype, i don't know much about u.s.-mid east affairs but this much i know:

bush may be an a-hole, but equating bush to bin laden is absurd! simple question: how many arabs do you see emigrating to the states? now, contrast this to how many americans you see emigrating to arab countries?

blaming america for all the crap going on in the middle east, while simultaneously understating arab leaders' not-so-glowing track record, does not help your argument.

i really might want to read more about that bud. there are alot of americans living in the middle east, especially in egypt.. UAE.. bahrain and so on. migration does not prove anything.

Even the best "american" university in the middle east is located in cairo.

My point is... the US government years b4 bush and and maybe even bush now.. all they do i mess up countries poilitical sceen.

Taking the government of iran out.. and putting in the sha...then taking him out.. an putting saddam in power.. giving saddam weapons to kill iranians.. then secretly giving the iranians weapons to kill iraqies... then after the long war donald rumpsfeld (miss spelt i think) going to iraq to shake saddams hand for using chemical weapons (thath th US gave) on iranian. and now taking saddam out of power? hmmmm is that right?? Don't you think that would cause hate?

what's the death tol from that war anyway? and the 2 iraq wars?

and how many people did osama kill? only thing about osama is.. he's not a goverment funded group. like the CIA (again i'm not saying osama is doing the right thing)

...maybe you don't see the big picture.. but..how many countires did england colonize? 64 right? how many of those countires beside malaysia and singapore are actually doing economically well? (note: the english applied their governemnt system in almost all 64 countires)

now go back to iraq... you think "democacy" will work? what are the odds?
2ndly stop watching US news.. it sucks...cause if the people of iraq really2 hated saddam... don't you think they would have taken him out of power? common now... if his soildiers hated him.. they would have turned around and said "why am i taking orders from this fool" and might have shot him themselves.

we can't say thst israel is the only side that breaks the rule.
It is only understandable to see Israel using harsh methods to fight off Hamas and all the anti Israel extremists.

i know both sides break the rules. but how does hamas do it and how does israel do it? israels does it with tanks, guns and god know what else. hamas does it with suiside bombing. Israel does it with US seport.. what about hamas? Did you know israel is building a wall (like the great wall of china) on muslim seattlements? is that right? and israel IS not the only country that tried to make pease... palistine did too. the US media always just shows 1 side of the story. CNN , Fox, AOL and so on are owened by Time warner (a jew) don't you think there will be a bias on what they show?

[da-hype]

Originally Posted by topdog

da-hype, i don't know much about u.s.-mid east affairs but this much i know:

bush may be an a-hole, but equating bush to bin laden is absurd! simple question: how many arabs do you see emigrating to the states? now, contrast this to how many americans you see emigrating to arab countries?

blaming america for all the crap going on in the middle east, while simultaneously understating arab leaders' not-so-glowing track record, does not help your argument.

i really might want to read more about that bud. there are alot of americans living in the middle east, especially in egypt.. UAE.. bahrain and so on. migration does not prove anything.

Even the best "american" university in the middle east is located in cairo.

My point is... the US government years b4 bush and and maybe even bush now.. all they do i mess up countries poilitical sceen.

Taking the government of iran out.. and putting in the sha...then taking him out.. an putting saddam in power.. giving saddam weapons to kill iranians.. then secretly giving the iranians weapons to kill iraqies... then after the long war donald rumpsfeld (miss spelt i think) going to iraq to shake saddams hand for using chemical weapons (thath th US gave) on iranian. and now taking saddam out of power? hmmmm is that right?? Don't you think that would cause hate?

what's the death tol from that war anyway? and the 2 iraq wars?

and how many people did osama kill? only thing about osama is.. he's not a goverment funded group. like the CIA (again i'm not saying osama is doing the right thing)

...maybe you don't see the big picture.. but..how many countires did england colonize? 64 right? how many of those countires beside malaysia and singapore are actually doing economically well? (note: the english applied their governemnt system in almost all 64 countires)

now go back to iraq... you think "democacy" will work? what are the odds?
2ndly stop watching US news.. it sucks...cause if the people of iraq really2 hated saddam... don't you think they would have taken him out of power? common now... if his soildiers hated him.. they would have turned around and said "why am i taking orders from this fool" and might have shot him themselves.

we can't say thst israel is the only side that breaks the rule.
It is only understandable to see Israel using harsh methods to fight off Hamas and all the anti Israel extremists.

i know both sides break the rules. but how does hamas do it and how does israel do it? israels does it with tanks, guns and god know what else. hamas does it with suiside bombing. Israel does it with US seport.. what about hamas? Did you know israel is building a wall (like the great wall of china) on muslim seattlements? is that right? and israel IS not the only country that tried to make pease... palistine did too. the US media always just shows 1 side of the story. CNN , Fox, AOL and so on are owened by Time warner (a jew) don't you think there will be a bias on what they show?

[__earth]

...maybe you don't see the big picture.. but..how many countires did england colonize? 64 right? how many of those countires beside malaysia and singapore are actually doing economically well? (note: the english applied their governemnt system in almost all 64 countires)

sorry but could you clarify on this one?

now go back to iraq... you think "democacy" will work? what are the odds?
2ndly stop watching US news.. it sucks...cause if the people of iraq really2 hated saddam... don't you think they would have taken him out of power? common now... if his soildiers hated him.. they would have turned around and said "why am i taking orders from this fool" and might have shot him themselves.

think of fascism. if you think saddam is beloved, that's wrong. surely you know about the kurds and the shiites. both of the ethnics combined are accounted more than 50% of the total population.

dont get me wrong. I am against the war. but that doesnt make saddam as the good guy.

know both sides break the rules. but how does hamas do it and how does israel do it? israels does it with tanks, guns and god know what else. hamas does it with suiside bombing. Israel does it with US seport.. what about hamas? Did you know israel is building a wall (like the great wall of china) on muslim seattlements? is that right? and israel IS not the only country that tried to make pease... palistine did too. the US media always just shows 1 side of the story. CNN , Fox, AOL and so on are owened by Time warner (a jew) don't you think there will be a bias on what they show?

two wrongs doesn't make a right. if I were the leader of the israel, of course i would use everything in my power to suppress the intifada.
if somebody wanna kill you with a knife, and you had a gun, of course you'd use the gun right?

somebody needs to stop. israel stops once but the palestinians doesn't want to. remember when yasser arafat sacked his PM in the middle of a peace negotiation just because his pm "compromised" too much?

[__earth]

...maybe you don't see the big picture.. but..how many countires did england colonize? 64 right? how many of those countires beside malaysia and singapore are actually doing economically well? (note: the english applied their governemnt system in almost all 64 countires)

sorry but could you clarify on this one?

now go back to iraq... you think "democacy" will work? what are the odds?
2ndly stop watching US news.. it sucks...cause if the people of iraq really2 hated saddam... don't you think they would have taken him out of power? common now... if his soildiers hated him.. they would have turned around and said "why am i taking orders from this fool" and might have shot him themselves.

think of fascism. if you think saddam is beloved, that's wrong. surely you know about the kurds and the shiites. both of the ethnics combined are accounted more than 50% of the total population.

dont get me wrong. I am against the war. but that doesnt make saddam as the good guy.

know both sides break the rules. but how does hamas do it and how does israel do it? israels does it with tanks, guns and god know what else. hamas does it with suiside bombing. Israel does it with US seport.. what about hamas? Did you know israel is building a wall (like the great wall of china) on muslim seattlements? is that right? and israel IS not the only country that tried to make pease... palistine did too. the US media always just shows 1 side of the story. CNN , Fox, AOL and so on are owened by Time warner (a jew) don't you think there will be a bias on what they show?

two wrongs doesn't make a right. if I were the leader of the israel, of course i would use everything in my power to suppress the intifada.
if somebody wanna kill you with a knife, and you had a gun, of course you'd use the gun right?

somebody needs to stop. israel stops once but the palestinians doesn't want to. remember when yasser arafat sacked his PM in the middle of a peace negotiation just because his pm "compromised" too much?

[da-hype]

think of fascism. if you think saddam is beloved, that's wrong. surely you know about the kurds and the shiites. both of the ethnics combined is more than 50% of the total population.

what's your point? just cause they are helping the US makes them the good guys? and where the hell did u get 50%? last i checked the were the minority

http://www.worldpress.org/profiles/Iraq.cfm?startat2=13

Ethnic groups: Arab 75%-80%, Kurdish 15%-20%, Turkoman, Assyrian or other 5%

FYI Shi'a is not an ethnic group.

and since they are the minority... democracy don't work that way.. majority wins.

...maybe you don't see the big picture.. but..how many countires did england colonize? 64 right? how many of those countires beside malaysia and singapore are actually doing economically well? (note: the english
applied their governemnt system in almost all 64 countires)

what i mean is... what are the chance the US would do good iraq? the british obviouly failed.

[da-hype]

think of fascism. if you think saddam is beloved, that's wrong. surely you know about the kurds and the shiites. both of the ethnics combined is more than 50% of the total population.

what's your point? just cause they are helping the US makes them the good guys? and where the hell did u get 50%? last i checked the were the minority

http://www.worldpress.org/profiles/Iraq.cfm?startat2=13

Ethnic groups: Arab 75%-80%, Kurdish 15%-20%, Turkoman, Assyrian or other 5%

FYI Shi'a is not an ethnic group.

and since they are the minority... democracy don't work that way.. majority wins.

...maybe you don't see the big picture.. but..how many countires did england colonize? 64 right? how many of those countires beside malaysia and singapore are actually doing economically well? (note: the english
applied their governemnt system in almost all 64 countires)

what i mean is... what are the chance the US would do good iraq? the british obviouly failed.

[__earth]

Originally Posted by da-hype

what's your point? just cause they are helping the US makes them the good guys? and where the hell did u get 50%? last i checked the were the minority

my point is, the majority hates saddam. alright, the shiite is not an ethnic but shiite is the majority. In fact, the political power in Iraq right now is in the hand of the shiite.

taken from your source:

Religions: Muslim 97% (Shi'a 60%-65%, Sunni 32%-37%), Christian or other 3%

clearly, the shiite is the majority.

and no. I mean just because saddam wasn't removed by the people doesnt mean the people love him - the opposite of this:

cause if the people of iraq really2 hated saddam... don't you think they would have taken him out of power? common now... if his soildiers hated him.. they would have turned around and said "why am i taking orders from this fool" and might have shot him themselves.

[__earth]

Originally Posted by da-hype

what's your point? just cause they are helping the US makes them the good guys? and where the hell did u get 50%? last i checked the were the minority

my point is, the majority hates saddam. alright, the shiite is not an ethnic but shiite is the majority. In fact, the political power in Iraq right now is in the hand of the shiite.

taken from your source:

Religions: Muslim 97% (Shi'a 60%-65%, Sunni 32%-37%), Christian or other 3%

clearly, the shiite is the majority.

and no. I mean just because saddam wasn't removed by the people doesnt mean the people love him - the opposite of this:

cause if the people of iraq really2 hated saddam... don't you think they would have taken him out of power? common now... if his soildiers hated him.. they would have turned around and said "why am i taking orders from this fool" and might have shot him themselves.