Originally Posted by surayahamdan
I think you missed out that part where they say "queer without fear". Seksualiti Merdeka is a campaign to let homosexual practice to get accepted into the society, even the Muslims.
You can be naive and tell yourself that it's all about treating people indifferently regardless of their sexual preferences, but nobody's refusing service or taking different buses just because somebody's being gay somewhere here in Malaysia. People hate the practice, not the people.
It IS about both. "Allowing homosexual practice to get accepted into society" simply means that homosexuality will no longer considered a disease, eradicating the idea that homosexuals are all sick deviants with uncontrollable lust and thus eliminating widespread prejudice and discrimination. Which will then lead to people treating other people indifferently regardless of their sexual orientation or gender identity. It is all interconnected. I don't understand what is so WRONG about sex between two consenting adults. Islam forbids it, sure, but whatever these people do is still none of your business, regardless of whether they're Muslims or not. You do not have the right to judge these people, even if the Quran explicitly says that homosexual acts are prohibited. You can only advise them, no more no less. The judging supposed to be God's job.
edit: You know what? I did a bit of reading and discovered I was wrong. Judging is completely fine within Islam! Oh wow. Wow. So feel free to disregard the above argument.
Also you seem to be forgetting about trans* people. Seksualiti Merdeka also addresses issues concerning their lives in this country. Homosexuals may be able to get on with life relatively unharmed but that is IF AND ONLY IF they keep it a secret and only if their gender presentation matches their gender identity. As for trans people? Those who are unable to "pass" in the eyes of the cisgender public (usually trans women) will get jeered at, get insulted, get beaten up by the religious authorities if they're perceived as Malay and Muslim, get killed in hate crimes, get subjected to sexual harassment far more often than cisgender people, get fetishised and objectified, get fired from their job for no proper reason, are more likely to be homeless and etc.
You can be naive and tell yourself that these people have it good in this country and don't face much problems. You can be naive and tell yourself that your religion is more important than the thousands of lives hanging on the line, but reality is harsh.
Also, the official religion may be Islam but it is still a democracy. Regardless of whether your religion approves or not, those Muslims are simply people who are exercising their rights to freedom of speech and expression. You can't tell them what to do or restrict their autonomy. You can continue to object and express your distaste for it, just as other citizens are allowed to support it, but the event shouldn't be cancelled just because some Muslims are supporting it. It is not the fault of the event that some individuals chose to support it.
Originally Posted by surayahamdan
Homosexual practice presents harms to Muslims society, in a way that's more than just hurting the feelings of some people. It erodes our moral fabrics and destroys the pillars of our marriage institutions. When you refuse to respect this and starts campaigning to our kids and teenagers that they can be 'queer without fear' then it's only proper for you to get the harsh response from the Muslims community here in Malaysia.
Destroy the pillars of the marriage institution? I think people seem to have forgotten that the rate of divorce among heterosexual people is quite high.... so I don't see anything sacred about this "marriage institution".
We can respect your right to express your disapproval, but how about you offer us the same respect? How about you respect our right to speak in a controlled environment, in workshops and in talks? One thing that has to be cleared up is that Seksualiti Merdeka isn't trying to promote homosexuality nor is it an orgy festival, it is simply trying to raise awareness and educate people on the issues that the LGBTQ community of Malaysia face every day. It is also supposed to be a safe space for the people of the community to discuss amongst themselves. There is a difference. What some people in the Muslim community is trying to do is that they are trying to CANCEL the event, which by the way, doesn't only involve Muslims. By doing so they are infringing on the rights of the non-Muslims. Muslims aren't allowed to drink alcohol or eat pork. But other people who are able to shouldn't be stopped from doing so.
I don't know how you're going to stop the other Muslims from getting involved or supporting it, but the point I was trying to make is that it shouldn't have to be cancelled forcefully just because some Muslims have decided to support the event.
warning - off-topic and may be sensitive :
i feel sad for people who want to leave but can't (since they forbid apostasy and all...). it's all fine and dandy if they willingly became Muslims. all the best to them! but for those who really want to leave, i do feel sorry. it is tragic. personally...if i were a Muslim i'd probably be dead by now. not just because of all the restrictions, the denial of my personhood or violence and disapproval, but probably because i'd have committed suicide from frustration. it is already so difficult, experiencing gender dysphoria and by extension, depression and social anxiety. but to be forced to believe in something my brain simply CANNOT believe as well, it would've been too much. it is essentially LYING to oneself. it is creating a new reality and pretending everything else one has learned later that doesn't comply with it is wrong, wrong, wrong. and then having to force myself to live in another skin? to pretend that i'm "normal"? i don't know how other people manage to live with it or reconcile their religion with their identity, but kudos to them.