Discussion: Local grads not trash?

[ayjiahui]

^ I think you're making a big leap of logic when you say that they're a lack of "problem solving skills, cognitive skills, communication skills, and so forth."

Look at it from another perspective. I have spoken to a couple of headhunters and graduates from local universities are looked on with high regard because many of those who take the local university path are more resilient than many who go overseas for higher education.

Why is this so? The kids who fight to get into local universities, fight hard because they know that that is the only way they're going to get an education. This is character building, something kids who are sent overseas by means of parental support may not understand. Usually, local grads are also less picky when it comes to jobs and are not so fussy when it comes to the job scope. Because of this they're more likely to be willing to work hard and learn from employers. Plus points for local grads!

[KenT13]

Though it might be low, still there're some. You simply overgeneralized it. You just haven't seen them all. It's just like saying " blondes are dumb". I'm sure at least one of your relatives is a local graduate. So, do you consider him/her a trash?

[Nicholasng925]

Originally Posted by ayjiahui

^ I think you're making a big leap of logic when you say that they're a lack of "problem solving skills, cognitive skills, communication skills, and so forth."

Look at it from another perspective. I have spoken to a couple of headhunters and graduates from local universities are looked on with high regard because many of those who take the local university path are more resilient than many who go overseas for higher education.

Why is this so? The kids who fight to get into local universities, fight hard because they know that that is the only way they're going to get an education. This is character building, something kids who are sent overseas by means of parental support may not understand. Usually, local grads are also less picky when it comes to jobs and are not so fussy when it comes to the job scope. Because of this they're more likely to be willing to work hard and learn from employers. Plus points for local grads!

You sure? High percentage of those kids who need to fight hard are mostly non-Bumi, and how many percentage of non-Bumi are there in the overall population in Malaysia? Still Bumi is the majority of the people and I don't think they will face any extreme difficulty like what a typical non-Bumi faces when applying to local universities.

[ayjiahui]

Originally Posted by Nicholasng925

You sure? High percentage of those kids who need to fight hard are mostly non-Bumi, and how many percentage of non-Bumi are there in the overall population in Malaysia? Still Bumi is the majority of the people and I don't think they will face any extreme difficulty like what a typical non-Bumi faces when applying to local universities.

Read my response. I didn't say all. Please note that my response was written in the context that not all who pursue the local university path are trash and that I am writing all this in defense of those who are not 'trash'. And yes, my point also had isi tersirat. Thanks.

The statement that "Local grads are trash" should not even be mentioned REGARDLESS of the percentage of 'trash' graduates that are produced because there will always be local graduates who are gems. That statement alone means that ALL LOCAL GRADS ARE TRASH. Which is.. false.

[zanyzephyr]

Duuh. Sweeping statements were made like ALL THE TIME. As for local grad Vs overseas grad, c'mon people. It's like taking an air plane and train down south from KL. If you are good, you are gonna be there and shine no matter how good you are, regardless of the quality of the education or hub you are using. The chances are for you yourself to explore and discover. If you suck, no matter what kinda golden plated stationery you use, you will end up as thrash anyway.

People just don't see the fact. But then again, I wouldn't judge the quality of the graduates, but the institute themselves. The Times University Rankings over the past 50 years speak for themselves. People think that the local grads are thrash, because they see the grads by labeling them from the universities they graduate from.

Well at least that's how the people around me sees it.

[ayjiahui]

Originally Posted by shuwenteo

Nicholasng925, you're going to have a fight with the majority. Maybe you'll be accused of challenging article 153. Hahaha

Our current discussion has nothing to do with article 153. =__=

[Young]

Goodness, this is such a mindless thread. I really don't see the point of this debate, since bad graduates are sourced locally and from foreign instutitions in pretty equal proportions.

[Nicholasng925]

Originally Posted by ayjiahui

Read my response. I didn't say all. Please note that my response was written in the context that not all who pursue the local university path are trash and that I am writing all this in defense of those who are not 'trash'. And yes, my point also had isi tersirat. Thanks.

The statement that "Local grads are trash" should not even be mentioned REGARDLESS of the percentage of 'trash' graduates that are produced because there will always be local graduates who are gems. That statement alone means that ALL LOCAL GRADS ARE TRASH. Which is.. false.

I wouldn't say that local graduates are trash neither, obviously not to non-Bumis for whom I really respect them for their strong determination and passion in the pursuit of knowledge. My elder sister is a local graduate, and I believe that my younger sister will be a local graduate too in future.

What was your implicit meaning within your context then? Mind enlighten me? Thanks in advance!

Obviously the statement "Local grads are trash" is flawed as what you have mentioned, but the statement is somewhat true to a certain extent as what we all knew, in which the person who stated it did not clarify it in the first place.

Originally Posted by shuwenteo

Nicholasng925, you're going to have a fight with the majority. Maybe you'll be accused of challenging article 153. Hahaha

I was just stating the fact!

[Turkey]

No matter where you are, local or overseas uni, there's surely going to have "trash" and "gem". And shuwen, you really don't have the right to label all local graduates as trash. (Same goes to the VC of UKM.)

For the bumiputras, maybe you do not have the chance to know them deeply. But to me, I learnt from them quite a lot of good qualities!

They are:
- down-to-earth
- willing to share things with you
- not ashamed of seeking knowledge from others
- able to appreciate what they get without being greedy and asking for more
- etc.

And throughout the time when I got along with them, I noticed there are some that are really excellent. I envy their leadership skill, communication skill, organising skill and a lot more!

Academic results is not everything, you know! Everyone has their own path to success in life!

[Young]

Originally Posted by shuwenteo

Hey, I didn't say all of them are trash.

Then don't give a label at all. You wouldn't like it now if I said students from your institution are trash, even if I didn't mean all of them are trash right?

Btw, this is not an ad hominem attack. Just stating an example to prove my point.