UiTM and non-Bumi's

[kucingbiru]

if "yes" to non-bumi in uitm, why not say "yes" to non-bumi in umno?

[wyeoh]

Originally Posted by kucingbiru

if "yes" to non-bumi in uitm, why not say "yes" to non-bumi in umno?

Imagine the repurcussions. It would probably need to change its name, change its insignia, change its outlook.. hell, it would be a totally different party. As for non-Bumis joining UMNO, the current condition is as good as it gets.

As for the politically correct racial bashing so far here, I must ask a question. Is it me, or are most active members in ReCom non-Malays. It is hard to guess the race of the person behind the avatar, but small deductions and such brought me to arrive at such a conclusion. It would be great to hear the opinions of our Malay counterparts in this.

As for obvious racial segregation in Malaysia, that is definitely a fact. But so is class segregation, age segregation, gender segregation, etc. Do we complain about that? Why make racial differences the easy target, when you obviously don't see everyday that a bloke with the Queen's English speak to another fellow with a 100% pure-bred Manglish. It is a matter of preferences, and convenience. We fall back to our safety nets, into the comfort zone. And we are comfortable with others who are SIMILAR to us, be it race, gender or class.

The day racial segregation stops, is when the government start a homogenizing program where everyone cross breeds. LOL, *starting to imagine that policy in action now.

So, instead of complaining about it, be mature about it and think of effective ways to minimize this. The law isn't what's causing racial barriers. It is the culture that is. The problem isn't how many Chinese students get into MRSM or how many non-Chinese gets into UTAR. Those are just numbers, statistics. Look for the reasons behind them. I have a suspicion that even if, and that's a big if that all quota systems get abolished tomorrow, we would still have a somewhat segregated educational system.

[Thirdshifter]

wyeoh,

I know for certain that earth__ , Budak_kerek master of none, Bachok, Da hype, Me, Luke are Malays. Heck i think most of the active members are Malays.

[wyeoh]

Originally Posted by Thirdshifter

wyeoh,

I know for certain that earth__ , Budak_kerek master of none, Bachok, Da hype, Me, Luke are Malays. Heck i think most of the active members are Malays.

Reply... ahh... there goes my deduction skills... ahahaha... my sincerest apologies for the honest mistake then.

[chenchow]

Originally Posted by wyeoh

So, instead of complaining about it, be mature about it and think of effective ways to minimize this. The law isn't what's causing racial barriers. It is the culture that is. The problem isn't how many Chinese students get into MRSM or how many non-Chinese gets into UTAR. Those are just numbers, statistics. Look for the reasons behind them. I have a suspicion that even if, and that's a big if that all quota systems get abolished tomorrow, we would still have a somewhat segregated educational system.

I think that the role that we could play in ReCom and perhaps in the larger society would be to look into the long-run cultural barrier... How could we transcend the society and get people to mingle? How do we get people to cooperate, when people don't even get the chance to even work with one another? Or even if people get the chance, their mindset is more or less set?

I am interested to hear from ReComers about any successful attempts/efforts in integrating racial harmony, or promoting racial sharing/awareness that any ReComers have done. This could be something that others in ReCom could replicate and bring greater effects towards promoting racial harmony in our country...

One thing, with reference to the question by wyeoh and the reply from thirdshifter, I think via ReCom, we have managed to provide an avenue for Malaysians, without looking at what race you are, an opportunity to share your opinion, have an audience to hear what you are going to say, and learn from one another. One of the visions in ReCom is about promoting racial harmony. So, I guess we may have digressed from the topic, but I guess this issue transcends the topic of this thread.

[shimania]

Originally Posted by chenchow

I think, the setting up of UiTM is to build up a bigger middle-class of Malay. While I am not going to debate whether it is good to keep it only for Malay, I think that you guys have a valid point in saying that we should inter-mingle. While UTAR, KTAR, AIMST etc have a few percentage of students of other races, 90+% of students are still dominated by a single race, and in the long run, this is not healthy.

I am also very saddened by the fact that very few non-bumi take up the offer to study in MRSM. Only 2/3 of the 10% quota is filled up. The question is why? And even though those students were placed in 5 MRSM throughout the country, i.e. each MRSM would have 100 or so non-bumi, hence any thought of marginalization or isolation would have been quashed, and we still can't attract non-bumi to apply and enroll in MRSM. Only 10% of bumiputera that apply for MRSM get in, whereas for non-bumi, more than 70-80% get accepted, and yet choose not to enroll.

Is it prudent to question why non-Bumis are not filling up the 10% quota allocated, and just acknowledging that segregation is unhealthy, while ignoring the root question, whether it's fair for govt to officially sanction that UiTM can only accomodate 10% of non-Bumis ?

[Patrick]

I think that this worsening problem concerning racial integration is mainly because of the mindset that most Malaysians have.

You see, the Chinese tend to think that they're better than others. They will only mix with those whom they think is of their standard.
That's why in my college, although not UiTM, and in some other institutions (high school, tuition centres), it's really difficult to mix with them due to their snobbish character.

On the other hand, some Malays are inferior to the Chinese. They don't want to embarass themselves. As a result, we see them mingling only with the ones of the same skin colour as them. Some even think that the Chinese are plague-bearers. They think that the Chinese bring negative influences such as gambling, and is often associated with vulgarity.

Take note that I used the word "tend" and "some." Not everyone thinks the same way. This is just one generalisation from my observation.

As I am in a Malay-dominated college, it's almost impossible to survive without making friends with them. It's not difficult actually. One just has to break the ice. Show them that we're good people. Justify our sincerity.

And, there are capable Malays out there, but their reputation is tarnished by the less capable ones. Let's see it this way. We're all equal. There are good Malays, and there are bad ones. It's the same when it comes to the Chinese, the Indians, Punjabis, etc.

[budakkerek]

has anyone thought of the problem of communication as being the main reason why most chinese, malays n indians (or any other races, for dat matter) dont mix w each other?

[Ic3b3rg]

Caution: Digression

hi. i just want to say that i was in a national primary and a national secondary school. throughout my school years, i have friends from a lot of races. I was in the top class in my school and so most of my friends are very smart. but after UPSR, most of my smart malay friends go to boarding schools. then in secondary school, a lot of my primary school friends started mixing again with students from other primary school. at first it was awkward but after a while we get pretty close and the competition got pretty healthy and comradely. but after PMR, we had to cry again because a lot of our malay friends have to leave for boarding schools again. In form 4 and form 5 most of my closest friends are chinese. we go everywhere together and we are like soul-mates. if i am guilty of racial polarization then, i apologize. but you see, i have been with this group of friends since primary school, and it is hard to artificially break these bonds and to bond with certain people just to form the image of a *united* society.

[Gemini_gal]

Racial issues have always been, is and will be a sensitive issue.. Since the chinise and Indians first came to Tanah Melayu, it sparked a racial issue. The Malays did not want to give up their prerogations while the Chinse and Indians wanted legitimate rights. After 48 years of pronoucing Independence, standng srong as one multi racial nation, it is sad, in fact very depressing to say that we have not yet achieved independance, when perused in the true meaning of INDEPENDANCE..

Being in uitm, it is undeniable that they give extra and i really mean extra privelledges for the bumi's. It is seen ieven in the dress code. We are suppose to wear bajukurung every mon's and fri's. Only long sleeves are allowed for women. Although the good side of this rule is seen that is- no revealing clothes visible, but let us look at the difficult part of it. Y can't we wear normal short sleeves? I do not think such clothes will pique anyone.. The studies are also predicated for them, askew towards English Language.

The best part is the cliques formed during group works. The Bumi's with their own and the non-Bumi's with themselves. Is this a seperate world? Aren;t we meant to be together? In future, if ever we are attacked by other invaders, I assume the scenarin will be like this- If it is harmful for the non-bumi's then only the non-Bumi's army will fight: and vice versa for the Bumi's.

The most common phenomena is when a non-Bumi scores higher marks. The other's tend to see them differently, being prejudice towrds them.Instead why dont they sit together and study? won;t it lead to the betterment of both parties? This scenario is not only visible in Uitm but since primary schools..

Let us all be a little open minded. It is wise to think out of the box. Whay arent';s we united, I repeat TRULY UNITED as a nation? let us not have this kind of ill feelings towards each other. Be one nation, suceed as one nation.