Geoengineer

[charlotta]

Hallo,
Is there anyone here who is in the field of Engineering Geology and Geotechnics?
or maybe anyone that have information regarding this course ?

I want to do geophysics, but was offer engineering geology. Are this two more or less the same ?

Thank you

[henry_yew]

I don't know much about either of them, but what I can be sure is this: neither are engineering. Engineering geology doesn't mean that it's engineering. It just means that it's geology that has engineering applications.

[charlotta]

Not too sure about what you said ''neither are engineering'' .
How do you define engineering ?

So this Engineering Geology and Geotechnics course is a pure science course and not applied science course ?

[henry_yew]

An engineering course generally is one that grants you a Bachelor's in Engineering (BEng.) or a Bachelor of Science in "some" Engineering, e.g. Bachelor of Science in Civil Engineering (B.S.C.E). A Bachelor of Science in Engineering Technology, for example, is not an engineering degree even though it's got the term "Engineering" in there. You cannot call yourself an engineer if you have an engineering technology degree.

Therefore, engineering geology is not an engineering course; it can be an applied science course, but the degree does not entitle you to call yourself an engineer. You can call yourself a geologist, yes, but not an engineer. You need to keep in mind that the title "engineer" is a protected title as enacted by the Engineers Act 1967.

If you want to be an engineer, then Engineering Geology may not be what you want. If you think that Engineering Geology entitles you to be styled as an "engineer", then you're not alone in thinking that it's a mistake. The Board of Engineers defines what an engineering degree means.

In a very loose sense, Engineering Geology is a type of geology that is used by engineers for practical applications. For example, civil engineers will need to have some knowledge of geology, but which type? The "engineering" type, known as "engineering geology". The field of geology can be very wide, and the type of geology for, say, petrophysicists may be different than those for civil engineers.

[charlotta]

Originally Posted by henry_yew

An engineering course generally is one that grants you a Bachelor's in Engineering (BEng.) or a Bachelor of Science in "some" Engineering, e.g. Bachelor of Science in Civil Engineering (B.S.C.E). A Bachelor of Science in Engineering Technology, for example, is not an engineering degree even though it's got the term "Engineering" in there. You cannot call yourself an engineer if you have an engineering technology degree.

Therefore, engineering geology is not an engineering course; it can be an applied science course, but the degree does not entitle you to call yourself an engineer. You can call yourself a geologist, yes, but not an engineer. You need to keep in mind that the title "engineer" is a protected title as enacted by the Engineers Act 1967.

If you want to be an engineer, then Engineering Geology may not be what you want. If you think that Engineering Geology entitles you to be styled as an "engineer", then you're not alone in thinking that it's a mistake. The Board of Engineers defines what an engineering degree means.

In a very loose sense, Engineering Geology is a type of geology that is used by engineers for practical applications. For example, civil engineers will need to have some knowledge of geology, but which type? The "engineering" type, known as "engineering geology". The field of geology can be very wide, and the type of geology for, say, petrophysicists may be different than those for civil engineers.

oh..now i get it .. thank you ..

Could you possibly tell me the differences career path between bachelor's of science and bachelor's of engineering ?
I can't seems to decide which one to choose.
Is it possible that I do a Bachelor's of science for degree and then Master in Engineering ?

[henry_yew]

There's no difference between Bachelor of Science and Bachelor of Engineering. It's just nomenclature. You could say that Bachelor of Engineering is a more specific degree than Bachelor of Science. In most cases, when a university confers a Bachelor of Engineering, they do so like this: "Bachelor of Engineering (Civil)" while a university that confers Bachelor of Science does this: "Bachelor of Science in Civil Engineering". Either way, it makes no difference whatsoever.

So you can take a Masters in Engineering with either degree, but some Masters in Engineering (MEng.) programmes don't allow you to pursue your PhD unless you're taking Master of Science (MSc.) in "some" Engineering. Some universities specifically say that MEng. programmes are professional programmes NOT leading to the PhD.

[charlotta]

Originally Posted by henry_yew

There's no difference between Bachelor of Science and Bachelor of Engineering. It's just nomenclature. You could say that Bachelor of Engineering is a more specific degree than Bachelor of Science. In most cases, when a university confers a Bachelor of Engineering, they do so like this: "Bachelor of Engineering (Civil)" while a university that confers Bachelor of Science does this: "Bachelor of Science in Civil Engineering". Either way, it makes no difference whatsoever.

So you can take a Masters in Engineering with either degree, but some Masters in Engineering (MEng.) programmes don't allow you to pursue your PhD unless you're taking Master of Science (MSc.) in "some" Engineering. Some universities specifically say that MEng. programmes are professional programmes NOT leading to the PhD.

Understand now . Thank you
I don't understand why MEng can't go into PhD ? and the word professional programmes ?

Is it because a bachelor or master in engineer doesn't really study in details for the theory part, that's why is not eligible to go into PhD ?
Then can a engineer go into research field ?

[frankchong]

Be careful, if you want to be an engineer in Malaysia, or other places where professional accredition is required, you need to have an engineering degree that is accredited.
Accredition varies for different kinds of engineers, if you deal with government or statutory bodies in engineering work you better have one that is accredited. In electronics, most of the engineers do not need accredition, especially those in R&D and product development not involve in building hugh engineering structures.
Having accredition does not mean that you are a better engineer, it only make sure that you have attained certain basic proficiency needed in those professions. These are usually covered in the first degree. If you do not have accredition in your first degree, a masters or Ph D will probably NOT allow you to register as a professional engineer. A masters or PhD provides training in more depth or speialised areas usually not related to accredition at all.
Check with IEM (Institute of Engineers Malaysia).

[henry_yew]

Originally Posted by charlotta

I don't understand why MEng can't go into PhD ? and the word professional programmes ?

Is it because a bachelor or master in engineer doesn't really study in details for the theory part, that's why is not eligible to go into PhD ?
Then can a engineer go into research field ?

I suggest you check out some other universities yourself to get that understanding. A search in the Internet reveals a lot of answers that are already available.

But if you are going for your Bachelor's degree now, it's best to take things one at a time, i.e. don't worry about Master's and PhD until you're ready to find out more. It doesn't mean you should forget about doing postgraduate studies if you want to, but don't rush your fences.

And no, your reasoning in the second paragraph is not the answer to why some people with MEng. degree are not eligible to apply for the PhD programme. Again, that's something for the future for you to find out.

As Frank said, right now you ought to make sure that your degree is accredited. If you're going to do an engineering programme in Malaysia, make sure it is accredited by the Engineering Accreditation Council (EAC) - there is a list in its website; you can go and look it up yourself. If your programme is not listed in the EAC list, then most likely that programme is NOT an engineering course, or that it is not accredited. If it is not an engineering course, it might be accredited by the Malaysian Qualifications Agency (MQA) instead.

If you're studying abroad, make sure it's accredited by an accreditation agency recognized by the foreign country's government. If it's an engineering programme that is accredited by that agency and should the country where you're studying is a signatory of the Washington Accord, then you ought to have no problems coming back to Malaysia to work, if that's what you plan to do.

[charlotta]

Originally Posted by frankchong

Be careful, if you want to be an engineer in Malaysia, or other places where professional accredition is required, you need to have an engineering degree that is accredited.
Accredition varies for different kinds of engineers, if you deal with government or statutory bodies in engineering work you better have one that is accredited. In electronics, most of the engineers do not need accredition, especially those in R&D and product development not involve in building hugh engineering structures.
Having accredition does not mean that you are a better engineer, it only make sure that you have attained certain basic proficiency needed in those professions. These are usually covered in the first degree. If you do not have accredition in your first degree, a masters or Ph D will probably NOT allow you to register as a professional engineer. A masters or PhD provides training in more depth or speialised areas usually not related to accredition at all.
Check with IEM (Institute of Engineers Malaysia).

Ok. Understand. Thank you .

Originally Posted by henry_yew

I suggest you check out some other universities yourself to get that understanding. A search in the Internet reveals a lot of answers that are already available.

But if you are going for your Bachelor's degree now, it's best to take things one at a time, i.e. don't worry about Master's and PhD until you're ready to find out more. It doesn't mean you should forget about doing postgraduate studies if you want to, but don't rush your fences.

And no, your reasoning in the second paragraph is not the answer to why some people with MEng. degree are not eligible to apply for the PhD programme. Again, that's something for the future for you to find out.

As Frank said, right now you ought to make sure that your degree is accredited. If you're going to do an engineering programme in Malaysia, make sure it is accredited by the Engineering Accreditation Council (EAC) - there is a list in its website; you can go and look it up yourself. If your programme is not listed in the EAC list, then most likely that programme is NOT an engineering course, or that it is not accredited. If it is not an engineering course, it might be accredited by the Malaysian Qualifications Agency (MQA) instead.

If you're studying abroad, make sure it's accredited by an accreditation agency recognized by the foreign country's government. If it's an engineering programme that is accredited by that agency and should the country where you're studying is a signatory of the Washington Accord, then you ought to have no problems coming back to Malaysia to work, if that's what you plan to do.

Thank you for the advice, will search through it .
Yes. I will check the EAC .