Originally Posted by buttercup
The reason for starting a new thread is because here i will be talking about students who will be sitting for their SPM in 2012. ( As we all know every now and then things change and infos on certain issues posted few years ago won't be the same again such as (it seems only for the students who sat for SPM in 2011 - who will be taking matrics in 2012/2013 - non-bumi allocation is 1500).
1. My son is sitting for his SPM in 2012. He wants to do medicine. We have applied for matrics - choices Sleangor, Penang & Kedah ( after doing some research)
2. We will only know the result for matrics in May/June 2013. If we wait and don't get we will be wasting 5-6 months. If immediately after his SPM, using his trial result he applies to do foundation in Jan 2013, he can finish by end of 2013. The he may be able to start his medice in Jan at some of the u here. Is it possible and adviceable?
3. Can non-bumis apply for asasi? which u does provide asasi for non-bumi. Correct me if i am wrong, UPM and UPNM only right? UPM only offers asasi pertanian while UPNM is for tentera. That means does he has to serve the tentera even he if enrolls as pelajar awam? How do we apply to UPNM ?
4. If he wants to do foundation, which is the best and recognised university in Malaysia? Is this u recognised n oversea?( If he wants to work in overseas incase we don't get public u?)
5.Is asasi sains hayat and asasi fizikal the same? I understand that they have to take different subjects. Can both students do medicine?
I would like to thank everyone in advance for your time.
Greetings to a concerned mother. Welcome to ReCom.
First off, I would like to ask where did you get hold of such information that I highlighted in bold? Just curious..
Yes, it is possible for your son to enter into another pre-university/foundation program to start off things for the sake of continuing the studying momentum. Also, because a lot of students do apply for Matrikulasi, but the chances are high that they will not get a place for the institution they shortlisted as their choices. This happened to some of my friends, including a bumiputera and they rejected the offer in the end. So, at least the half year's worth of studying isn't wasted and it may provide a heads-up advantage compared to his peers. A few of my friends have done this and came out better prepared in their first semester upon transferring to either Matrikulasi or some other program under JPA sponsorship. The other advisable thing I'd ask your son to do as an alternative to studying is to perform some hospital attachments come 2013 ASAP. It will show him some of the ropes behind the medical field, most often not as what others may perceive. As you may or may not know, medicine is not simply something one pursues just because one has good grades. I also apologize in advance if this may offend you - I've already heard many parents forcing it onto their children to study medicine due to coaxing from society and their perception that it leads to a prestigious future. The shallow truth I know so far about medicine is that it is far away from the kinds of blown-out-of-proportion medical series we follow on television. The life of a doctor (at least for the first decade of their career and probably the rest of it) is a life dedicated to perpetual studying, testing of knowledge, passion for people, working awkward and long hours and low starting pay (at least this is what I gathered from ReCom and a few friends studying medicine in the past) So, with all due respect, I hope your son understands what he is getting himself into and a hospital attachment will very much show him whether he is ready to pursue this field. The experience is invaluable.
Not very sure about asasi but I'm sure someone will get back to you on that. As far as I know of, I have heard from some friends that application into UM's and some other public universities' foundation programs was possible back 2 years ago, including non-bumis.
You will find out later if you follow your son's education development that frankly, there is no absolute best university in Malaysia, be it private or public. All of them have their own strengths and advantages, but of course, there is still distinction from top-tiers to lower-tiers universities in Malaysia. If your son wishes to work overseas, it will not be his foundation qualifications that matter, but his first degree that he graduates with. Just for your information.
If I am reading you right, your son is interested in a FOUNDATION program. If you are worried about recognition overseas, I'd recommend the MUFY (Monash University Foundation Year) offered at Monash University, Malaysia or the UNSWFY (University of New South Wales Foundation Year) offered at KDU University College. Both are foundation programs offered by their respective universities and brought over to Malaysia like a franchise. Lectures are most of the time local, but syllabus material and examinations are based on the universities back home (in both cases, Australia)
If recognition is so important to you, why not go for a PRE-UNIVERSITY program? A-level (Cambridge or London Board), IB (International Baccalaureate), SAM (South Australian Matriculation), AUSMAT (Australian Matriculation), CPU (Canadian Pre-University) are about some of the popular pre-university programs offered in Malaysia. Just like the MUFY/UNSWFY, the lecturers are conducted locally but the material is brought over from their respective countries. Most of these pre-universities offer a qualification upon graduation that opens doors to almost every where in the world. A-level and IB are the internationally renowned (but A-level graduates mostly aim for UK), whereas AUSMAT, SAM and CPU to their respective countries and a few more (eg HK, NZ, China, Russia, etc) However, entering overseas does not solely depend on your results from pre-university ; a foreword warning. A-level and IB will consume more time than a year compared to the other pre-university programs, but IMO, your son will come out better prepared due to the depth of knowledge and skill tested in both.
If I am reading this right, SAINS HAYAT - PURE SCIENCE and SAINS FIZIKAL - PHYSICAL SCIENCE. I am not an expert in this (but some others in ReCom are) . My guess however is that in terms of similarity, Physics might be the interlinking between these two fields. Pure Science, as I recall it, en composes the 3 primary branches of science (Physics, Chemistry, Biology) and to a certain extent, some of their sub-branches like Biochemical. It is highly unlikely your son will be able to practice medicine if he studies for a Pure Science degree. Pure Science graduates are research oriented. Not to mention, there is no clinical modules for Pure Science and the time taken to graduate is the same as most degrees ; 3 years. Pure Science graduates also graduate with a BSc qualification. Medicine will take 5 years to graduate with an MBBS. The qualifications are not the same nor are they interchangeable.
Originally Posted by gjy677
I am more concerned if your son is really determined to read medicine. Is he? (Adequate exposure to the career is needed)
It's actually surprising you as a parent is doing all this research work for your son. I hope he is also doing his part in research as these basic things should be clear cut to him by now if he is serious about medicine. Most of my friends who are doing medicine have already researched their future pathways since Form 4 at least.