Tibet issue: Western media declaring war on China?

[youngyew]

Originally Posted by alepbing

I think sometimes United Nations played the most insignificant role in everything. I just hope that United Nations will gain it's power again, or just resolve it.

Isn't United Nations the only righful organisation to overcome this matter?
Now, where has United Nations' role being implied in the world?

China has a veto vote in UN.

Originally Posted by strikingstar

(PS: Please read this article from the Washington Post http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...041802635.html. Pretty insightful. But then, she IS afterall, Duke material.)

Thanks for sharing this insightful article. In fact in the past few days, I have flirted with the idea of what happens if a Chinese citizen happens to disapprove of his/her overzealous nationalist fellow countrymen. And this article has just confirmed what I thought would happen. And this makes me sad.

Anyway regarding the "free tibet" thingy, I think it ought to be clarified when people use this slogan. Free can mean "freedom" or "secession", and the two interpretations mean very different things with the current Tibet issue. I mentioned this issue in _earth's "kl for free tibet" here.
http://kl4freetibet.wordpress.com/20...elay-test-run/

[__earth]

Originally Posted by youngyew

__earth, just wondering whether you acknowledge some fabrication and distortion by Western media in the report of this issue, as pointed out by many "pro-China" websites e.g. www.anti-cnn.com. I am sure you will not brush them off simply on the basis that they are from pro-China supporters' mouth.

I am asking this as it is the very title of this thread.

By the way 5 years ago the whole world KNEW that there were WMD in Iraq too.

Really? I thought the world disagreed with the US-led coalition? Don't you remember the debate in the Security Council? Don't you remember the opposition expressed by the IAEA even befor the war?

In fact, many of the anti-war individuals were against the war during the height of the war because they didn't know whether there were WMD in Iraq.

About distortion, maybe but when China itself is scared of allowing free press, distortion and suspicion is abound. We only have to use our faculty to filter it. But even the anti-CNN website itself is distorting what CNN had said. Talking about distortion, the PRC media itself censor news that are unfavorable to the PRC. Check this out: http://i.love.china.homepage.googlepages.com/index.html

The point is, distortion is done by both side and to say that only one side is doing it doesn't paint the whole truth.

But this is not about western media vs China. The dichotomy between western media and PRC media is really just a convenient way of say "non-pro-PRC media" against PRC, ignoring the diversity of origin of the criticism. In fact, the pro-Beijing are trying to paint is so hard that non-westerners that sympathizes with Tibet are accused to have been brainwashed by "western media".

The fact is that there are media that aren't western that criticize the PRC. Two examples are Indian and Japanese media. Even the Japanese Foreign Minister has criticized the PRC.

[kintaro_kun]

Originally Posted by __earth

About distortion, maybe but when China itself is scared of allowing free press, distortion and suspicion is abound. We only have to use our faculty to filter it. But even the anti-CNN website itself is distorting what CNN had said. Talking about distortion, the PRC media itself censor news that are unfavorable to the PRC.

we have nvr stated that the chinese media has ever been free and fair, unlike some western channels that claim to be so, while DELIBERATELY fabricating lies, distort events, quote unvalidated figures to mislead the populace. we had expectations for the western media, and blif me, which asian does not aspire to have independent media in their own countries? we looked highly upon the BBC and the CNN, sad to say i cant say the same now. a self proclaimed saint who lies, is committing a bigger sin than an admitted liar lying.

The point is, distortion is done by both side and to say that only one side is doing it doesn't paint the whole truth.

exactly, hence why not look at both sides of the coin instead.

But this is not about western media vs China. The dichotomy between western media and PRC media is really just a convenient way of say "non-pro-PRC media" against PRC, ignoring the diversity of origin of the criticism. In fact, the pro-Beijing are trying to paint is so hard that non-westerners that sympathizes with Tibet are accused to have been brainwashed by "western media".

how ironic for you to say this.

The fact is that there are media that aren't western that criticize the PRC. Two examples are Indian and Japanese media. Even the Japanese Foreign Minister has criticized the PRC.

some articles in The Hindu, india's national newspaper:

http://www.hindu.com/2008/03/26/stor...2655431000.htm

http://www.hindu.com/2007/07/05/stor...0559671300.htm

of course i cant say The Hindu represents the opinion of the majority, but the same can be said to your claim above.

LOL. to even quote the japanese government's stand on this issue is actually doing your cause a disfavour.

i criticise the PRC too, they have much better food there, DAMN!

[alepbing]

Originally Posted by youngyew

China has a veto vote in UN.

true, but USA, Britain, France and Russia have veto power too. and i think we have witnessed a lot of misuse and abuse of veto power lately. i think it is time for United Nations being reoragnised and shook up. and these countries have veto power because they own nuclear weapon. so isnt that obvious that UN is actually telling us to obey everything said by the veto power nations or they will bombard nuclear XDXD its just not fair anymore!!

[youngyew]

Originally Posted by alepbing

true, but USA, Britain, France and Russia have veto power too. and i think we have witnessed a lot of misuse and abuse of veto power lately. i think it is time for United Nations being reoragnised and shook up. and these countries have veto power because they own nuclear weapon. so isnt that obvious that UN is actually telling us to obey everything said by the veto power nations or they will bombard nuclear XDXD its just not fair anymore!!

What I mean is, with the veto power, the UN can't pass any motion without China's nod, which effectively renders UN useless in this Tibet issue.

[Olataro]

Originally Posted by luke

That's like a bunch of "what ifs" to me ...

What happens if I say that those "what ifs" have no relevance whatsoever to the issue of Tibet? What would you say?

Ironic, isn't it?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_probability (this link has no relevance whatsoever with this post)

Um huh....."wat if" is wat might happens

Look at msia, when the southern part of thailand wanna join with malaysia, msia keeps on saying "let them bla bla bla.....not democratic bal bla bla"

Now look at China. Malaysia is not reacting to it the same way, i wonder why?


The truth is, No COUNTRY WOULD WANT ITS LAND TO BE SEPERATED.
Wat the west is trying to do is to turn china into another rusia such that its economic power wouldnt be a threat to the west.

CHINA WAS ONCE STRONG AND WILL STAND STRONG AGAIN.

Thats a fact and the west knows this. Those peace loving ppl are sadly, another tool to destroy the east. So if you dont understand this then by all means, take your time and think. Why russia is now weaker than America

[vseehua]

http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/04/14/8287/